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move of the year? everything carl rove spent his money on. >> oh, that's good. >> you're stealing my thunder. >> i could have gonl for the wealthy, elderly. but, you know, there are elderly and they have so much money, who cares. carl rove is the one, the supposed architect, the supposed genius. >> so exposed in this election. >> i agree. without tipping my hand, i have a special recognition for carl rove coming up. i think the worst political move of the year was the republicans' engineering on aggressive voter suppression. i think they angered and energized voters that may not have come out. the worst thing to do is to go after people when you want people to remain asleep. i think they woke up a sleeping giant. that was the worst move. had they not done this, i think it would have been a much closer election. but people took it personal and i think it really became a tipping point in the election. >> yeah, nothing makes someone want to vote than saying you can't vote. then you will do whatever it takes. >> and to take something from people that was earned and gained with such sacri
, they have so much money, who cares. carl rove is the one, the supposed architect and the supposed genius. >> i agree. without tipping my hand, i have a special move for carl rove coming up. i think the worst was the republicans engineering on an aggressive voter suppression campaign. i think they angered and energized voters that may not have come out. the worst thing to do is to go after people when you want them to remain asleep. i think that was the worst move of the year. had they not done this, i think tmd have been a much closer election. but people took it personal and i think it really became a tipping point. >> and to take something from people that was earned and gained with such sack ra fiesz. . >> now it's time for a light ning round. quick answers, please. you hear me, richard? the spot light award. this revvie gos to the movement that defined the 2012 campaign. >> it has to be the 47% video. >> health care law up head. >> hitrichard? >> sandy. >> i'd have to go 47%. that was the moment. >> no question, 47%. so that's the one that got so far, the most consensus. we have a lo
, was it karl rove? a fox news paid analyst but the guy behind a romney super pac frantic after fox's numbers crunchers called ohio for obama. even though all the networks had. >> do you believe that ohio has been settled? >> no, i don't. the director of the ohio campaign for romney on the other end of the line refreshing the page every few seconds. i think this is premature. we got to be careful about calling things. chris: a great night for megan kelly but not a great night for karl rove. >> ryan and rove were part after larger republican story which is to deny reality. and my favorite chutzpah moment was a deny reality moment was when the romney campaign suggested that a fiat was going to close a plant in toledo making jeeps when everyone in fiat and toledo knew it wasn't and did that five to 10 days before the election closed. everyone knew it wasn't true and they kept running ads about it. just amazing. chris: helene. >> paul ryan. it takes a lot of chutzpah to say two hours. olympians running at that. but that's a really -- chris: that's 13 miles an hour if you do the math. >> that's am
noonan to karl rove assured them they would be in the white house by this time so they're understandably shock and distressed and poor speaker john boehner is hopelessly stuck in that stage. his is, of course, willful denial. a stubborn refusal to recognize reality are. but it is denial nonetheless. today, he dug in his heels. he refused to budge. he released a statement blaming the president for the impasse saying "we don't have time for the president to continue shifting the goalposts. we need to solve this problem." in fact, his approach all along has been to deny reality altogether. his plan is essentially a rehash of mitt romney's. closing loopholes to raise revenue and remember, mitt romney lost. and democrats of course, rightly are calling him out on it. representative sandra levin who released a statement yesterday saying that republicans "remain in a state of denial." well, here he is on monday, going even further. >> the republicans have a major decision to make. and that is essentially wh
analysts have been benched by cable executives. one of them is karl rove, who famously on election night tried to convince fox news-watching americans that mitt romney had not really lost ohio. that could not be. not when he, karl rove, had spent $390 million raised from conservative zillionaires to make sure that never happened. same goes for this guy. his name is dick morris. he not only said repeatedly and emphatically that mitt romney would win the election, he was the guy who said mitt romney would definitely win in a landslide. he has apparently been benched at fox news as well. that does not mean, however, that dick morris is taking a break. oh, no. at dickmorris.com today, you can learn about how president obama is moving forward on gun control. which given the politics around gun control would be kind of amazing if it were happening, right? but of course it is not happening. i mean dick morris says it is happening, but that is no reason to believe a thing is happening in this sane, sane world. complicating their on-arian list roles for the fox news channel, most mr. rove and mr.
long that it's very hard to imagine an electoral future. >> it's worse than that. you guys, carl rove and your buddies. remember carl rove? eight years ago, you went up to ohio and up to cleveland and you basically went to the black ministers and who was that guy? the boxing promoter. you guys went out and you rallied all of them. we've got to fight that gay marriage thing and you used that to destroy john kerry. >> in '04, that was an exploding cigar. and we're paying the price for that. there were -- >> did you fight? >> thank you for your service. we paid for it in the '08 cycle when we weren't running on it. we certainly weren't running on it in 2012. we have been paying for it in spades since '04. the platform document was an anchor around the neck. >> okay. this country has never gone through a faster transition in thinking. and i'm part of it. all right? the public attitudes shifted dramatically in just a short period of time. i think you're going to be astounded by this. in 1996, not a million years ago, only 27% of the country supported same-sex marriage. just about a quarter
to karl rove. he has thoughts on hillary clinton running for president four years from now. later, barbara walters and dennis miller on president obama and we are coming right back >> bill: in the impact segment, there is no question the republican party is regrouping, or something, after getting hammered in the election. new leadership will be required, even the old guard is discouraged by the current status of the gop. >> if their competitor in 16 is going to be hillary clinton, supported by bill clinton and presumably still relatively popular president obama, trying to win will be truly the super bowl and the republican party today is incapable of competing at that level. >> bill: wow. joining us from austin, texas, karl rove. do you agree with speaker gingrich? >> i do with a little bit of it, but not a lot of it. there are four things he said in that sentence. one is that clinton would be formidable backed by her husband. that's right. second, he said that if there were a popular president obama, that would be helpful to her. that's really not accurate. if you look at it, truman, lbj
that -- rove and bush understood that constituency was critical for them. he said our ideas carried the day. they didn't carry election night. >> i think voters are very aware what the issues were and what side both sides took. speaking last night at a gala, senator-elect ted cruz, a real hero of the tea party from texas, gave a postmortem on the election. he said, do you want to know why barack obama won 70% of the vote? tone on immigration contributed, but i think far more important was 47%. republicans nationally, the story they conveyed was that the 47% are stuck in a static world, we don't have to worry about you. >> i think part of it is we did let the other side define us -- >> was it the thinking about looking down on people or was it the words? >> i think what happened was early on the obama people did a good job with the perception mitt romney was george bailey, he was mr. potter. and then we said narratives that -- >> lionel barrymore. >> we can't do that as a party. as a party we have to let everybody know we're fighting for them, understand their lives, and, frankly, we failed
. not this time! mr. president, as i told him last night hold the line! when we come back, karl rove and dick morris, are you going to miss them? michael calderone from "huffington post" will tell us what that's all about. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." the world that leave no shortage for exciting conversations. i want our viewer to understand why things have happened. at the end of the show, you know what has happened, why its happened and more importantly, what's going to happen tomorrow. (vo) you've heard bill's views now let's hear yours. >> politically direct means no bs, just tellling you what's going on in politics today. (vo) at the only online forum with a direct line to bill press. current.com/billpress >> announcer: radio meets >> announcer: on your radio and on current tv, this is the "bill press show." >> bill: in the next hour, from talking points memo,est an mcmorris santoro here as a "friend of bill" and our foreign policy guru, bill cirincione will be in studio as well. one big difference after the election on novemb
karl rove's inability to process the fact it happened. >> do you believe that ohio has been settled? >> no, i don't. look, if we are calling this on the basis of 74% of the vote being in. when 77% is in, the director of the ohio campaign for romney on the other end of the line refreshing the page every few seconds. >> no word on if he's refreshing the website. seriously? >> i feel like you have been mean to karl rove. you have to understand where he was coming from. he wasted over a quarter billion dollars from failing. it was epic. what am i supposed to do. you just wasted millions of dollars. other people's money. people gave you money. you said i got this, i understand this. they gave you hundreds of millions of dollars, you fail and the camera is on you. i would have been -- ohio doesn't exist. i don't see why you are counting votes from them. >> i was waiting for him to say you want evidence, i stole the 2004-2008 election. >> they sent them back to the decision desk. you have to go back and see if it's true. >> it was a great moment. you have this rich white dude to the host,
. i'm sorry to interrupt. it's worse than that. >> all right. >> you guys, karl rove and your buddies, remember karl rove. eight years ago you went up to ohio and cleveland in the black areas and basically went to the black ministers up there, karl rove and who was that guy, the boxing promoter, and you guys -- don king, and you rallied all them, we have to fight this gay marriage thing and you used that to destroy john kerry in ohio and cost him the electoral college. >> that was an exploding cigar and we're paying -- >> where were you then? did you fight -- >> i was fighting in iraq. i was deployed in iraq so i was -- >> touche you win. thank you for your service. thank you for your service. it's a very good alibi. >> but we paid for it in the '08 cycle when we weren't running on it. we certainly weren't running on it in 2012. we have been trying to run away from this issue and we have been paying for it in spades since '04. as you said earlier, the platform document -- >> this country has never gone through a faster transition in thinking and i'm part of it, all right. everybody is
. next up, a return to karl rove. he has thoughts on hillary clinton running for president four years from now. later, barbara walters and dennis miller on president obama and we are coming right back. he arketing analysis. with the ability to improve roi through seo all by cob. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. i'm going b-i-g. [ male announcer ] good choice business pro. good choice. go national. go like a pro. >> bill: in the impact segment, there is no question the republican party is regrouping, or something, after getting hammered in the election. new leadership will be required, even the old guard is discouraged by the current status of the gop. >> if their competitor in 16 is going to be hillary clinton, supported by bill clinton and presumably still relatively popular president obama, trying to win will be truly the super bowl and the republican party today is incapable of competing at that level. >> bill: wow. joining us from austin, tex
able to connect the karl rove moment -- infamous karl rove moment of denial to romney's campaign's decision not to concede. there is an unknown character here that caused all sorts of delays. tell me about it. >> there was basically for over an hour a pause in the romney campaign's high command in boston -- >> because they were about to concede. right? they were all ready to go. >> political junkies out there who go to amazon and get this book will love the opening scene. we have the suite in boston at the westin on the 16th floor. and the chicago suite where the president is. sort of back and forth on election night what's going on. romney was ready to concede at 11:15. ten minutes later karl rove is on fox news saying hold on, you're calling ohio too soon. what we found out, chuck, is that both carl at the fox studio in new york but also the romney campaign in boston was talking to the same person, scott jennings, who is romney's ohio campaign director who was hold up at a hotel in columbus. he was hitting refresh on the state and county board of elections websites. he sees two
on and it was preliminary information. but anyway the worst lie was karl rove -- after the election saying that the obama campaign suppressed the vote. that's the only lie but a real heifer. >> uh-huh. worst lie awards goes to aged it our prosecute -- you guessed it our president. but the congressional research service the crs lords that for every 2 cents of tax breaks oil and gas companies get wind and solar companies get $1. honorable mention pat buchanan? >> for person of the year, vladimir putin. you were right earlier john. it's a real comeback for him. he has been in power for a long time but he is holding on and i think there's a lot to this guy really and i think he is not an enemy of the united states. and he's not the greatest strategic threat. >> trade-off. >> mitt romney said. >> you can't go wrong. eleanor? >> congresswoman caroline mccarthy who has been working tirelessly on behalf of gun safety since winning her congressional seat after her husband was murdered in a shooting accident -- not accident, in a mass shooting incident on the long island railroad. she is now cosponsoring a bill to
morris or karl rove. you cannot just put them on any more because they were so wrong and so off on the elections. that's what politico is reporting, that this is how fox is changing things. no more karl rove and no more dick morris without a note from teacher. >> cenk: that's interesting. that was your movement to fire dick morris. >> yeah, i had a hash tag to fire dick morris. >> cenk: and you know what, we're going to make sure that he's off the air. >> if i had only taped it. they called and i forgot to push record. >> cenk: i'm jumping around here but. another interesting note, ann wintour, i don't know how to pronounce it. >> you did a nice job. >> cenk: might become ambassador to england or france. lizz, let me go back to you on this one. >> it's chic and fashion. >> cenk: yes, i didn't have to go to jayar. >> this one, i'm also kind of with you on this. i'm not a big get my fall vogue person but i did see "devil wears prada" which i believe was based on her insane anti- anti-diplomacy apparently you can be the biggest creton in the business. >> cenk: lizz makes a great po
. adelson is to republicans now that we're watching the implosion of gop stalwarts like karl rove and freedom works, both of which you have reported on. >> extremely important to the republican party, as are ee emerging class of mega donors. who were spurred into giving large amounts of money, which led to the super pacs. you look no further than the week after the presidentiamç election, the governor's association was in town, in las vegas, and as we reported, three governors who are contemplating their own runs in 2016 made a trip from the wynn casino and hotel, a strong rival of sheldon adelson's sands corporation, over to the venetian, adelson's flagship, to meet with sheldon adelson. we don't know what they talked about, but bobby engine dal, john casic, and really high up on the short list of procespecte 2016ers. after the meeting we heard sheldon adelson expressed to confidantes he was favoring for 2016, a candidate with executive experience. all those guys fit the bill. incidentally, they were also visiting with him. >> great. professor, in this wall street journal articl
is thinking. >> any word from karl rove? >> he's been telling you it's over. romney lost. >> dammit, i gets it's time i explain to these good people about the fiscal cliff. think of the economy as the car and the rich man as the driver. if you don't give the driver all the money, he'll drive you over a cliff. it's just commonsense. >> finally someone on the right willing to tell the truth. but here's the thing. this time it doesn't matter if mr. burns, speaker boehner, or the tea party try to hold the american people hostage just to get what they want. the president isn't going to budge. >> so i want to sq thank you both for coming on the show tonight. congresswoman, let me start with you. is the gop serious about holding the economy hostage again just to get what they want? >> well, think about the cards that they are holding. they are in favor of tax cuts for the rich. they want to cut tax care programs and medicare and make seniors pay and threaten the economy of the united states of america by defaulting on payments or at least to threaten that. this is not a very popular position among th
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. >> the donald trump award goes to? >> my trump award goes to karl rove, on election night, on politics, election night he had no idea what was going on. and on policy, this was the year when we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy of trying to write state legislation into the constitution against people who happen to be gay. and the republican party is turning against that. and that will be his legacy for a long time, sadly in the legislative issue. >> and for years, i've said the donald trump award has gone to donald trump. and once again i will give it to donald trump because i find it impossible to outdo donald trump on embarrassing yourself. there are a couple of people who tried, they tried really hard to outdo donald trump. let's take a look, for example, at todd aken. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that is really rare, if it is a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> and just when you thought he had that whole jurisdiction wrapped up, there came richard murdoch, who we should take a look at. >> i think t
've been talking about the president's advantage right now. so, karl rove was not about to sit on the sidelines. his crossroads gps is running a spot today criticizing the president over his handling of the fiscal cliff. let me take a look at that. >> no real reform. instead spending taxes. we neat bipartisan ideas we can all support. >> dana, is any of that going to make a difference or maybe a broader point is how much are outside groups generally, whether it's on the hill or on tv influencing this debate? >> if it works as well as karl rove's effort during the campaign, i think the president is going to ask him to run more of those ads because it didn't work out so well for him the last time. this is a little different from a political campaign in that spending by interest groups is probably not going to be big enough to crowd out all of this noise that's being made here. i think that interview you just had with tom price was extraordinary for what he didn't say. he didn't say i won't allow taxes to increase. he said it depends on what the overall package is. that's an extra
illegals. he did everything he could to make sure that that constituency which rove and bush understood that was critical to republicans winning the presidency wouldn't be there. the most critical thing he wrote was, our ideas carried the day. they didn't carry election night. that's what counts. >> i think voters are very aware what the issues were and what side both sides took. speaking last night at a gala, senator-elect ted cruz, a real hero of the tea party from texas, gave a postmortem on the election. he said, do you want to know why barack obama won 70% of the vote? tone on immigration contributed, but i think far more important was 47%. republicans nationally, the story they conveyed was that the 47% are stuck in a static world, we don't have to worry about you. i cannot think of an idea more antithetical to this country's principles. >> did he mean the 47 thinking or the fact that david corn and mother jones got that out that he had said that out down there. >> part of it was -- >> was it the thinking or the words. >> early on, the obama people did a good job with the percepti
, indeed. one story people are talking about, he's back. he's back. we reported that karl rove and dick morris had been benched at fox news. >> bill: that didn't take long, did it? >> yesterday karl rove turned up again on special report with bret baier. so all of these reports about him being benched may or may not be true. >> bill: what was it? a week? yeah maybe. >> wasn't that long. >> bill: i guess dick morris will be back on sean hannity tonight. >> god help us if he does show back up but yeah. clearly taking them off the bench. >> bill: as long as you're willing to bash barack obama you'll have a home on fox. no doubt about it. so amanda, this is -- this is not going to end. even if rick schneider signs this bill today. >> no. >> bill: this is going to be an on-going battle. >> it will keep going. you will see attempts to repeal the bill. whether passing new legislation attempts perhaps to recall the legislators who voted for it. there will be the elections in 2014. i think it has woken labo
strategists within the beltway. some people that you know about, that you've heard about. mr. rove, and i keep saying this because everybody says we should go back to karl rove's concept of the big tent. no. for karl rove the big tent is big, but it's empty. [laughter] because it's just to talk about the economy. talk about the economy, talk about the economy. don't talk about immigration. we went into nevada, people said don't talk about social issues, don't talk about immigration. and i said i'm going to talk about social issues, and i'm going to talk about immigration. we need -- the problem was that they thought that, the strategists told the republican candidates to win the primary you have to move to the extreme right on immigration. you have to sound like a restrictionist. and that is wrong. every study shows the american people, republicans and democrats, support immigration reform. he could have had a much more constructive message from the beginning of the primary. and if -- and i think he would have been much more competitive in the general election. now, i'm not saying that if you
by republican strategists within the beltway, some people that you know about, that you've heard about, mr. rove and i keep saying this because everybody says, "i wish you'd go back to karl rove's concept of the big tent." now, for karl rove, the big tent is big, but it's empty -- [laughter] because it's just to talk about the economy, talk about the economy, talk about the economy, don't talk about immigration. we went into nevada. people said, "don't talk about social issues. don't talk about immigration," and i said, "i'm going to talk about social issues, and i'm going to talk about immigration." we need -- the problem was that they thought that -- the strategists thought the republican candidates to win the primary, you have to move to the extreme right on immigration. you have to sound like a restrictionist and that is wrong. every study shows the american people, republicans and democrats, support immigration reform. he could have had a much more constructive message from the beginning of the primary, and i think he would have been much more competitive in the general election. now, i'm n
money. i hate you. $40 million went to karl rove's cross roads which only had a 4% success rate. >> a lot of holes in the dessert. some of them got batties in them. >> stephanie: if karl rove were to get hit by a bag, if he steps on a bag of vipers we might know where to look. shortly thereafter there will be a giant cartoon hand knocking on mr. mr. adelson's door. >> vipers everywhere you look. >> stephanie: okay. we're just kidding. >> [ inaudible ] is lousy with vipers. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: okay. allison also -- >> that shakespeare statue vipers. >> stephanie: pure vipers. >> that statue of [ inaudible ]. made up of pure broken glass. >> broken glass. >> [ inaudible ] made of broken glass. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: adelson doled out $15 million to the coach brothers $6.5 million to the jewish coalition. he said he had been motivated to act because he felt vilified by the obama administration after his businesses were investigated. he is being unfairly prosecuted for bribing and money laundering. >> yes. hum. in most places that is considered a crime
unpopular and rich ceo. >> any word from karl rove. >> despite what he's been telling you, it's over. romney lost. >> damn it. i guess it's time i explained to these good people the upcoming fiscal cliff. think of the economy as a car and the rich man is the driver. if you don't give the driver money, he'll drive you over a cliff. it's just common sense. furthermore, rich people feel things more deeply than the common man. >> well, the rich are hardly the only ones to suffer from a fiscal cliff. did you see the book? nate silver "can't add" and some binders full of women. >>> alan simpson has joined forces with can kicks back, trying to get young people to recruit their friends and use social media to encourage congress to come to a deficit reduction deal. there's alan simpson doing his part with a homage to internet sensation gangnam style. >> stop instagraming your breakfast and tweeting your first world problems and getting on youtube so you can get gangnam style. ♪ gangnam style >> and start using those social media skills to go out and sign people up on this baby, take part or get tak
with you by text. i'm sorry i went drinking with karl rove on valentine's day. >> "30 rock." i can't bear the thought. it's funny there, alec. she was a comic. i thought comic timing -- >> a great foil, a great comic foil. >> funny pictures for you. end the election stuff with these. mitt romney since the election. and they're all -- >> shopping? >> him add mcdonald's. >> okay. >> you like this here? that's him in the store, the supermarket. cvs. gets some supplies. that's him in the kitchen. that's him gassing up at the station. i mean, kind of -- sad, lonely figure. >> kicking back. enjoying himself. >> good the see him back in normal life? good for any politician? >> i would imagine that the period, the grieving period and the acceptance period for when it doesn't go your way, especially when there was every inclination it would go his way and remember what a long torturous, tedious primary period. about 175 republican debates before the general election. he was wiped out before the finals. >> what i find disgusting is i like mitt romney. and his wife and kids. they're nice people. and
of the vote. >> we won't forget carl roves epic on-air melt down. i guess that's what happens when you blow $300 million trying to winn win an election. the republicans money machine, 2012 was simply the year the rich couldn't buy. and it was a year full of wins, none bigger than this. >> the bottom line here is the supreme court has upheld the health care case. >> well, we have a health care law in tact. >> obama care unheld. a day to remember. and on issue after issue, progressives fought back. after 32 straight defeats at the ballot box, marriage equality won in reign. won in maryland, won in washington. 2012 was the year we waved good-bye to some tea party radicals. allen west, joe walsh and richard murdauch was sent packing. >> if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> as a country, we stood up for women and women's rights. a record 20 women were sent to the senate, including this one. >> wall street krerceos, the sa ones who wrecked our economy and destroyed millions of jobs, still strut around congress, no shame, demanding favors and
-ryan ticket? >> no comment. >> we are trying to follow karl rove and sheldon adelson as they are going down here. mr. adelson, how much mon are you going to spend on the election? >> i did not touch her. she ran back into me. she just grabbed our camera. >> i know you were against the war in iraq, that is ok -- but you thought the war in afghanistan was -- was ok -- you thought that was worth doing. we did not check with the russians to see how they did there for 10 years. [laughter] but we did it. it was -- you know -- it was something -- to be thought about. >> when david koch sat down last night as a member of the u.s. delegation, i went over to ask a question. >> do you think unchecked concentration of wealth will undermine democracy? >> i could not quite hear you. i am deaf in one ear. >> we are not doing any interviews. >> president obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans. [laughter] [applause] and to heal the planet. [laughter] my promise is to help you and your family. >> one of the first acts of civil disobedience at the democratic national convention took place on t
by text. i'm sorry i went drinking with karl rove onalentine's day. >> that is funny. i can't bear the thought of that. it was funny, alec. she was a comic. i thought the comic timing was -- >> she was a great foil. a great comic foil. >> we have funny pictures for you. i want to end the election stuff with these. these are mitt romney since the lection. >> that is him at mcdonald's. >> okay. >> i think he had -- that's him in the super market. cvs get something supplies. that's him in the kitchen. that's him gassing up at the station. i mean a sad lonely figure. >> he's kicking back. he's enjoying himself. >> glad to see him back in normal life. good for any politician? >> i would imagine that the period, the grieving period and the acceptance period for when it doesn't go your way, especially wli there was every inclination it would go his way. remember what a long, torturous, tedious primary period there was. they had like 175 republican debates before the general election. he must have been wiped out. he was wiped out before the finals. >> that is what is so disgusting about po
karl rove and others quoted saying we need to do something on immigration. we should do partial measures. we shouldn't go all the way to amnesty, and i think that they're reacting to a lot of blowback that they've gotten from their base as they've talked about the need to go out and make immigration reform something that they just set off the table. >> that quote is factually wrong. what this person thinks is if we have immigration reform, then you'll have more latinos who can vote. maybe you're changing the time frame, but the fact is because of the 14th amendment, anyone who is born in the united states legally or illegally is a legal citizen. you can vote. you can't stop these people from voting. they're just wrong. >> that's 50,000 hispanics turn 18 years old every month, period. that should be the only thing that is in front of the gop right now. all of this hem and hawing about what we're going to do on immigration, to me, is not the argument that we should be having. i think ed gillespie makes a good point about the strategy. >> michael. >> but having a smart strategy is
around ohio quite memorably voted for president obama. that made karl rove crazy. ohio went for obama. even so, there were more votes for republicans in ohio congress there in congress there. narrowly speaking, republicans had the edge in congressional votes from ohio voters, narrowly speaking. but look what they're sending to congress. look at that. not narrowly speaking. three times as many. ohio is going to send 12 republicans to congress and just four democrats. and that is why all these blue states which went blue in 2008 and again in 2012 ended up with dyed red legislatures, with state houses that are under total republican control and will stay red no matter how blue the state gets for the foreseeable future. mother jones made this great-looking graph for us the other day. you can see that they weighted it. you can see for every vote it takes to elect a republican to congress in each of these states, you need this many votes to elect a democrat. because they've confined all the democrats to democrat-only districts. so it doesn't matter how much you run up the score there. it's
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